tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post112709767449486988..comments2023-05-22T04:15:04.606-04:00Comments on Old Doxoblogy: 4 Views Of Monergism And SynergismJeremy Weaverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1129254150999408812005-10-13T21:42:00.000-04:002005-10-13T21:42:00.000-04:00Chad,I take that as code that we almost agree.Chad,<BR/>I take that as code that we almost agree.Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1129173149631903382005-10-12T23:12:00.000-04:002005-10-12T23:12:00.000-04:00I'm not denying that we exercise faith as a regene...I'm not denying that we exercise faith as a regenerate people. But I believe that faith operates outside of soteriological causality. The faith is a response, but it is not synergistic.<BR/><BR/>IMHO.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03880337516584157981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1129111444147370702005-10-12T06:04:00.000-04:002005-10-12T06:04:00.000-04:00Batman,I think this all revolves around the issue ...Batman,<BR/>I think this all revolves around the issue of faith. While the Bible clearly teaches that we are regenerated by the Spirit, it also teaches that justification is by faith alone. So do we believe that we have been given faith ar that the Spirit has faith for us? If the Spirit has faith for us then I do not think that it can truly be said that we are justified.<BR/>However, if the Spirit gives us faith, that faith becomes ours and we exercise it as regenerate people. So it is a synergistic work of the Holy Spirit in cooperation with a regenerate man.Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1129089848209439002005-10-12T00:04:00.000-04:002005-10-12T00:04:00.000-04:00I believe in 3 1/2. :-)I do not believe that mone...I believe in 3 1/2. :-)<BR/><BR/>I do not believe that monergism in both justification and sanctification necessarily violates/negates the responsibility of man to respond.<BR/><BR/>I believe Eph. 2:10, Phil. 1:6, and Col. 2:19 preclude sanctification being synergistic.<BR/><BR/>just my two cents.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03880337516584157981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127783485859697932005-09-26T21:11:00.000-04:002005-09-26T21:11:00.000-04:00Hey Jeremy,Neat you got a visit from the Sledgemei...Hey Jeremy,<BR/><BR/>Neat you got a visit from the Sledgemeister. Cool. He had good words. I just read them. I am glad to see how he feels about this. In my opinion that was one of the best comments I've seen him make. You gotta be course and rigid and have backbone when it comes to doctrine, but our hands need to be soft. My brother is Charasmatic and I don't agree with his Arminian stance but he does delve into the word and he has hurled darts my way. Darts that tested me. Darts that made me dig. I didn't agree and I still don't agree with all his doctrine but I now know that God in his Sovereignty called for this to happen so that I could know him more. Brother you have the proper blueprint and hold fast to it, but Camp is right, none of us have arrived and we can learn off each other.Bhedrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08091896907803479900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127495889307121992005-09-23T13:18:00.000-04:002005-09-23T13:18:00.000-04:00Sledge,Thanks for the visit. You're welcome here ...Sledge,<BR/>Thanks for the visit. You're welcome here anytime.<BR/>As I try to let everyone who comments here know, disagree with me. I can take it if I'm wrong. But as is the nature of most bloggers, I'm very opinionated and hard-headed. So it may take a while to get through, but if you're right, you will.Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127491610176442742005-09-23T12:06:00.000-04:002005-09-23T12:06:00.000-04:00Jeremy:My first visit to your blog--very well done...Jeremy:<BR/><BR/>My first visit to your blog--very well done--keep on.<BR/><BR/>One comment on the issue of unity.<BR/><BR/>1. Eph. 4:1-3 talks about endeavoring to keep the "unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." By virtue of the new birth, we have been baptized by the Lord with the Holy Spirit into His body. THAT unity is by God's grace and sovereign election.<BR/><BR/>2. We then as regenerated people are to keep that unity--even guard it. Not positionally (that is accomplished by Christ alone), but in the practical out-workings of our faith (our responsibility and evidence of our faith in the Lord - cp, 1 John 3:14, 4:7).<BR/><BR/>3. Then there is a unity of the faith (sound doctrine) that Paul also refers to in Eph. 4:13. He begins by our unity of the Spirit which is accomplished solely by His elective grace. But then our responsibility, still by His grace, is made evident, "till we all come to the unity of the faith." Again, this is not the faith to believe, but THE FAITH - the whole council of God - biblical Christianity. IOW, unity must be built around our position in Christ; and upon the truth of His Word. Both are a work of grace; both are essential.<BR/><BR/>This is a process: as we grow in our walk with the Lord we do so as we learn of Him through the reading, meditating, craving, obeying, studying, etc. of His Word. None of us have arrived with all our theology in tact--no one. That is why we keep on each day in His truth and must remain teachable from others as long to please the Lord by worshipping Him in spirit and truth.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, whether someone is Reformed, a charismatic, Assembly of God, Baptist, Presbyterian, etc. the key question for our fellowship and unity is the gospel of Jesus Christ. From there we grow each day in the truth and knowledge of His Word as part of the body of Christ.<BR/><BR/>As has been said before, "in the essentials, unity; in the nonessentials, liberty; and in all things charity."<BR/><BR/>Hope this is encouraging to you...<BR/>Grace and peace to you brother<BR/>Steve<BR/>2 Cor. 4:5-7SJ Camphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127491542873683292005-09-23T12:05:00.000-04:002005-09-23T12:05:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.SJ Camphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127491460266024162005-09-23T12:04:00.000-04:002005-09-23T12:04:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.SJ Camphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127429634285485512005-09-22T18:53:00.000-04:002005-09-22T18:53:00.000-04:00Joe,There's a good discussion of that going on ove...Joe,<BR/>There's a good discussion of that going on over at Pyromaniac. I personally don't know the answer.<BR/>But I do think that Biblical Discernment has a lot to do with it.Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127388740290531162005-09-22T07:32:00.000-04:002005-09-22T07:32:00.000-04:00I enjoyed this post and the responses.I love thing...I enjoyed this post and the responses.<BR/><BR/>I love things that make me think.<BR/><BR/>Thinking is so foreign to me.<BR/><BR/>In John 17 Jesus prayed that His followers would be unified.<BR/><BR/>As I read the comments on this post, I wonder...<BR/><BR/>How do we arrive at unity, and where is it important?<BR/><BR/>Jeremy, how about a post on this one day?Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09693381971064363612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127348605079814212005-09-21T20:23:00.000-04:002005-09-21T20:23:00.000-04:00I should be working I know, but I will work late a...I should be working I know, but I will work late at night as I can now. The wonders of being a computer programmer who can work at home.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Yes there are two sides of Sanctification/Holiness that we may be missing. I see the our responsibility because we have been given a new heart and grace upon grace all of the time.<BR/><BR/>God's Work of Sanctification in the Believer<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>John 17:17 <BR/>Romans 8:30<BR/>2 Corinthians 6:16-17 <BR/>Galatians 2:20 <BR/>Ephesians 2:10 <BR/>Ephesians 3:20 <BR/>Philippians 1:6 <BR/>Philippians 2:13 "for it is God who works in you both to Will and to work for His good pleasure"<BR/>Colossians 1:27<BR/>1 Thessalonians 5:23 <BR/><BR/>Our Responsibility<BR/>---------------------<BR/><BR/>Luke 9:23 <BR/>Romans 6:19 <BR/>Romans 6:22 <BR/>1 Corinthians 9:24-27<BR/>2 Corinthians 7:1 <BR/>Ephesians 4:1 <BR/>Ephesians 4:24<BR/>Philippians 2:12<BR/>Hebrews 12:14Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06809663608386103910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127344701059263572005-09-21T19:18:00.000-04:002005-09-21T19:18:00.000-04:00Oh, Jeremy, I have read that post before! Very in...Oh, Jeremy, I have read that post before! Very interesting...<BR/><BR/>I'm still not sure if you tell lost people about the "regeneration before receiving Christ" doctrine that you hold when witnessing. I wonder what that would be like? I have a Calvinistic friend here in Toledo who tells people that all they can do if they wish to be saved is mourn and weep over their sins and hope God will regenerate them so they may believe. Is that your approach? (I still wonder what is the point, though, if God already had a foredetermined list of who He would cause to believe). I don't mean to bug you about this. Sorry if I am pressing the issue too much.<BR/><BR/>By the way, if you were offensive to Brian, that is not what I was appreciating. It was the practical, common sense talk that challenges us to move, not just give up and wait for God to do something in us - like we are a puppet. <BR/><BR/>By the way, I do think we, as sinful creatures, even though saved, do, at times, desire glory for ourselves, and that is always wrong. However, when we worship (whether in song, deed, or life) it IS us worshipping God, not God worshipping God. He does want something from us. But Brian is right - we shouldn't pat ourselves on the back. Thanks for letting me join in the discussion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127334285415624772005-09-21T16:24:00.000-04:002005-09-21T16:24:00.000-04:00How did you know I wear boxer shorts? :-)Perhaps w...How did you know I wear boxer shorts? :-)<BR/><BR/>Perhaps we do see the same thing and are just arguing over words. My only concern is that the human flesh is offended at monergism and its pride still seeks to glorify itself. Oddly enough I was listening to Chuck Smith yesterday and he seemed to be agreeing. Sometimes I wonder if both Calvanist and Arminians see the same thing but plans and formulas inhibit us from seeing things? Or possibaly seeing Someone great. God himself.<BR/><BR/>You can never have the wrong plan and the right God; but you can have the right plan and the wrong God. This is why all things must start with Yeshua first and then we can argue semantics afterwards. Oh that men would come into an understanding of His Name.<BR/><BR/>Oh and Spidey boxers are cool.Bhedrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08091896907803479900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127331417159117422005-09-21T15:36:00.000-04:002005-09-21T15:36:00.000-04:00Here's the url for my missions post:http://doxoblo...Here's the url for my missions post:<BR/>http://doxoblogy.blogspot.com/2005/08/monday-missions-short-statement-on.htmlJeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127331319692885472005-09-21T15:35:00.000-04:002005-09-21T15:35:00.000-04:00Rose,For personal evangelism I use the Two Ways To...Rose,<BR/>For personal evangelism I use the Two Ways To Live method. It's a great tract that all Christians should be able to affirm.<BR/>I can't remember the address right now, but do a search with the title and Matthias Media.<BR/><BR/>The five points do play a role in my on attitude in evangelism though. For this look at my post titled, A Short Statement On Missions.Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127331007001859462005-09-21T15:30:00.000-04:002005-09-21T15:30:00.000-04:00Brian,I just re-read my comment to you and it soun...Brian,<BR/>I just re-read my comment to you and it sounded like it could be taken in a wrong way. I don't mean to say that you sit at home in your boxer shorts. I'm just saying that in all of your responses you have affirmed the same thing I did. That the Holy Spirit empowers us to do the work.<BR/><BR/>Sorry if I sounded offensive. Forgive me?Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127312946363825682005-09-21T10:29:00.000-04:002005-09-21T10:29:00.000-04:00By the way, can you answer my question anyways cau...By the way, can you answer my question anyways cause I'm really interested ... :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127312712607962142005-09-21T10:25:00.000-04:002005-09-21T10:25:00.000-04:00Jeremy,I just want to tell you that I truly apprec...Jeremy,<BR/>I just want to tell you that I truly appreciate your comments to Brian and you sound so balanced in them. Mat God empower YOU to continue in your Godly endeavors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127289045619154672005-09-21T03:50:00.000-04:002005-09-21T03:50:00.000-04:00Brian,The fact remains that they were empowered th...Brian,<BR/>The fact remains that they were empowered themselves to complete the task at hand. I'm not saying they did it alone, but they did it, nonetheless.<BR/>Paul said, "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."<BR/>The point is, you can't sit in your boxer shorts in front of the t.v. all day and expect to be going through the process of sanctification.<BR/>Paul told Timothy to "discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness."Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127273827253031732005-09-20T23:37:00.000-04:002005-09-20T23:37:00.000-04:00I call you back to Heb 12 that you listed yesterda...I call you back to Heb 12 that you listed yesterday.<BR/><BR/>Sarah? She laughed at God's promise. She's in the Hall of faith fame as having *recieved* the strength to give birth to Isaac.<BR/><BR/>Abraham? *after he was tried* he offered up Isaac.<BR/><BR/>Then it talks about the men that subdued kingdoms. Through their weakness they were given strength.<BR/><BR/>Again I list Revelation 19:1Bhedrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08091896907803479900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127272998702056282005-09-20T23:23:00.000-04:002005-09-20T23:23:00.000-04:00One thing everybody needs to remember is that Jesu...One thing everybody needs to remember is that Jesus did everything for the joy that was set before him. The cross may be death but joy is the motivator. Rejoice always. Thats the whole gist of our suffering in this world it manifests the Joy of the lord and bears witness of Him. The men at work will think it strange that you are happy all the time and will even try to pill more on you to try to wipe the smile off of your face, but Joy cannot be supressed and joy we have for what was given to us. We do not bear our crosses in misery. We bear the cross in Joy as all power is given to us to be His witnesses.Bhedrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08091896907803479900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127272268449991052005-09-20T23:11:00.000-04:002005-09-20T23:11:00.000-04:00No doubt you gotta work brother, but thats just it...No doubt you gotta work brother, but thats just it. That hard stuff like husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church. For instance help them and labor for them not playing the king of the house, but picking up the basin and towel and working as Christ did in washing his disciples feet....well I just know myself and thats not me doing it. That my friend takes an act of God. No doubt the road is hard, but it is not you doing it. At the end of the day it is Him as apart from Him you can do nothing. I am going to continue the Green Letter series from Miles Sanford.Principles of Christian Growth. There is a lot in there that I hope will be helpful. I still believe in Monergism and the untapped resource of God and His strength alone. If anything good comes from me it is God 100%, not me. Think not that I am trying to destroy Christ's teachings, I am imploring men to see how they were and are established.<BR/><BR/>Some bulls are harder to tame than others, but Samson was in the Faith hall of fame as well. Tell me one good thing he did out of his good intentions? At the end of his feeble tug o war life with God He stood between those pillars sanctified with the dross burned off of him. Hey brother don't put any confidence in the flesh.Bhedrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08091896907803479900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127267315740863172005-09-20T21:48:00.000-04:002005-09-20T21:48:00.000-04:00Brian,It's taught in the Bible.I would love for it...Brian,<BR/>It's taught in the Bible.<BR/>I would love for it to be true that my sanctification required no effort on my part, but Scripture tells me to work out my salvation, grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ, and a lot of other stuff. Hard stuff. I would love for God to just say here "Jeremy, you're perfect now."<BR/>And He will. But not yet. I don't know who wrote the song, but it is true, 'There's not a crown without a cross'.Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1127266796246723292005-09-20T21:39:00.000-04:002005-09-20T21:39:00.000-04:00Rose,I didn't answer the question because it is ir...Rose,<BR/>I didn't answer the question because it is irrelevant to the topic at hand.Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.com