tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post114057654385080031..comments2023-05-22T04:15:04.606-04:00Comments on Old Doxoblogy: The Guiding Principle Behind CalvinismJeremy Weaverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1141259122085672592006-03-01T19:25:00.000-05:002006-03-01T19:25:00.000-05:00Thanks for your post! I've linked it.hereThanks for your post! I've linked it.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://mcshoo.blogspot.com/2006/03/reading-deeply.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>Mickey Sheuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03956333218040153996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1140622163968225872006-02-22T10:29:00.000-05:002006-02-22T10:29:00.000-05:00Wes,The reason that Calvinistas get so uptight abo...Wes,<BR/><BR/>The reason that Calvinistas get so uptight about your description is because the ultimate choice of salvation lies with man and not with God. That is, God decided He wanted to save you, but He actually can't unless you agree to it. This makes man the final arbiter of salvation. This is seen to contradict John 15:16 especially. For Calvinists, God must not only offer salvation; He must also make us able to choose it. Which, by the way, is not very far from the "prevenient(sp?) grace" idea of John Wesley. But alas, I digress...<BR/><BR/>Darth Doxo,<BR/><BR/>I have a question about the "T" from your perspective. What remains of the image of God in a non-regenerate person? Or, if you are really feeling like having fun, what <I>is</I> the image of God?Brad Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00197301845256854051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1140619086179046262006-02-22T09:38:00.000-05:002006-02-22T09:38:00.000-05:00While I see so much of the debate as semantics, th...While I see so much of the debate as semantics, there is one element of it that bothers me.<BR/><BR/>Calvinists say that their view of salvation is God-centered, while others are 'man-centered.' While I try not to personalize rhetoric, this annoys me.<BR/><BR/>I certainly recognize that God is the Author of salvation, and without His provision, it wouldn't be possible. But because I believe that salvation is freely offered to man who, having been drawn by the Spirit, freely chooses to submit to that drawing or not to submit, I don't then say that man is sovreign in that relationship.<BR/><BR/>We all believe that man is the object of salvation. We all believe that God is the Actor in salvation. We all believe that Jesus is the Provider of salvation. In light of that, is not "God-centered vs. man-centered" just a rhetorical device with division as its objective?Wes Kenneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09628590417301855884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1140612970587197502006-02-22T07:56:00.000-05:002006-02-22T07:56:00.000-05:00I certainly believe in the absolute soverignty of ...I certainly believe in the absolute soverignty of God and the total depravity of man. <BR/><BR/>But I also believe in "free willism" and free grace.<BR/><BR/>O wretched man that I am! <BR/><BR/>I am unlabelable!Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09693381971064363612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1140610423837753422006-02-22T07:13:00.000-05:002006-02-22T07:13:00.000-05:00John,It could be said in other camps, but at the r...John,<BR/>It could be said in other camps, but at the risk of sounding controversial, they'd be wrong.<BR/>I would also say that most contemporary theological approaches claim to be anthropocentric.Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13376296.post-1140607958745453732006-02-22T06:32:00.000-05:002006-02-22T06:32:00.000-05:00Hi brother,Good piece. I can see by you article Th...Hi brother,<BR/>Good piece. <BR/><BR/>I can see by you article That God is the guiding person or principle of Calvinistic thought. I agree. <BR/><BR/>Yet, couldn’t this be said in other camps too? <BR/><BR/>Don't most (Christian) theological approaches claim to be Theo centric?<BR/><BR/>In the joy of the Lord,<BR/>brother JohnJ. Wendellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00765506892310444078noreply@blogger.com